The game need a sniper cap pls....

[HardAimedKid]

@Cisco5555

@Loqtrall

And here we find the one-half of the regular forumfield sniper conundrum - one half saying that sniping is too easy and the enemy team having too many snipers makes playing hard, and the other half saying that snipers can’t kill anything and having too many on THEIR team causes them to lose.

Why make a fourth class if you’re just going to limit it? It may as well not even be a fully playable class at that point, and would be more along the lines of cavalry. And then you have the huge possibility of all the sniper slots on your team being taken up by people that couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn if they were inside the barn. It also increases the possibility of quitters because people will join wanting to snipe and won’t be able to (that happens in games like Insurgency and Red Orchestra ALL the time).

Anybody care to explain where sniping in BF1 is inherently “easier” than in past games outside of a specific rifle’s OHK range?

Because in CQB it’s ultimately harder than in BC2, BF3, and BF4 - you have no OHK range in CQB with any rifle, whereas past games have had OHK ranges from 12m to 20m(BC2). Past around 300m, sniping gets inherently harder in BF1 than it was in BF4, because of the added mechanic of bullet drag, which slows your round down the further it flies through the air, which steeply increases it’s drop while simultaneously causing the need for even more adjustment for leading your target than in past games.

Whereas in past games, bolt-action rifle rounds traveled the same velocity and had the same basic drop arc no matter where you were shooting from or how far your bullet had to travel.

People who think this game has “less” bullet drop are ignorant of the actual statistics of the rifles. BF1 has the exact same bullet drop stats per rifle as BF3 and BF4 (they use the actual force of gravity in every game) - what you think is “less drop” is actually “more velocity”.

That change was due in part to the fact that in BC2, BF3, and BF4, bolt-action rifle rounds traveled so comically slowly, that at a certain range, you could literally SIDE STEP a sniper’s round. You could see it coming and have enough hang time to be able to dodge a bullet shot from a high powered rifle only a few hundred meters away.

The bottom line is: despite the fact that rifles have increased velocity and their OHK ranges were pushed out to medium-long range, the majority of people who play Scout in this game still can’t hit targets for anything. I’ve looked at a myriad of player’s stats that have posted on this forum (specifically on topics of bolt-action rifles) and the majority of them can’t even maintain above and average 25% accuracy with rifles as a whole.

I can post a video of me avoiding being killed by a sniper in the open desert between G and A on Sinai with zero cover around me, simply by running in circles.

Like I said, there’s an entire chunk of this community that complain snipers are worthless because they just camp and never kill anything so having too many on your team will cause you to lose - and then they do a complete 180 and start posting about how enemy teams full of snipers just tear them to shreds because sniping is so easy.

No matter the iteration of Battlefield, snipers have been complain about in BF communities (not just Battlelog or this forum) since earlier games in the franchise. I know for a fact that snipers were complained about extensively on Battlelog during the BF3 and BF4 days for the exact same reason snipers are complained about in this game. In this game people complain the OHK sweet spot makes sniping too easy - in BF4 people called sniper rifles “ghetto shotguns” because their 0-12.5m OHK range made them “too easy” to use in CQB.

This community has shown time and time again that no matter how you implement bolt-action rifles into these games, people will always find a reason to complain about them being “too good” or “too easy” in some way until bolt-action rifles have zero OHK capability beyond headshots, do 25% damage on limb shots, and are completely and utterly noncompetitive at anything aside from sitting 500m away from the action/objective.

I mean, really - there are people on this forum who are perfectly fine with machine guns that fire 500RPM with dozens of rounds killing people in 4 shots, while it simultaneously takes two rounds to the same section of a player’s body to kill them with a bolt-action rifle that shoots 10x slower and has 10x less rounds per mag.

There are people okay with the RSC being able to two-shot people up to 70m with the new balance pass in the CTE, while many rifles in this game require the same bullets to kill within the RSC’s normal effective range and fire 2x slower with the same magazine size.

How anyone can think that’s balanced is beyond me. There are people in this community that are obviously biased against Scouts and will argue any negative point about them, no matter how illogical it may be.

So…do you like to write books?

You should see his romantic novels

[Loqtrall]

@HardAimedKid

You should see his romantic novels

I’m the main character in all of them

[rock1obsta]

@handsomebear89

@rock1obsta

@buddyboy911

Funny people have it so wrong bf4 had like zero bullet drop compared to bf1. Bf4 was like a laser a thousand meters out, in bf1 good luck getting anything over 300 meters.

Nope. Dead wrong. Did you even play 4? Bullet drop was severe due to much lower bullet velocity. BF1 is a laser, BF4 is an underhand softball pitch.

Bullet drop:
Bf1: 12 m/s² on all rifles.
Bf4: 6 to 9.81m/s²
Muzzle Velocity:
Bf1: 440-880m/s
Bf4: 520-650m/s
Include drag coeff in bf1 and they’re not as far apart as you seem to imagine when you approach 200+ meters. Around 100 meters and less bf1 rifles are much faster, yes.
This is according to Symthic.com

Man, I can remember tryin to snipe in 4, & having to aim 2-3 dots above a guys head. More or less depending on distance.
When I’d try in 1, I could aim at the head from any distance.

[DingoKillr]

@handsomebear89

@rock1obsta

@buddyboy911

Funny people have it so wrong bf4 had like zero bullet drop compared to bf1. Bf4 was like a laser a thousand meters out, in bf1 good luck getting anything over 300 meters.

Nope. Dead wrong. Did you even play 4? Bullet drop was severe due to much lower bullet velocity. BF1 is a laser, BF4 is an underhand softball pitch.

Bullet drop:
Bf1: 12 m/s² on all rifles.
Bf4: 6 to 9.81m/s²
Muzzle Velocity:
Bf1: 440-880m/s
Bf4: 520-650m/s
Include drag coeff in bf1 and they’re not as far apart as you seem to imagine when you approach 200+ meters. Around 100 meters and less bf1 rifles are much faster, yes.
This is according to Symthic.com

Agree, but some don’t get. When you factor in hitbox size sniping at distance is not that easy.

The difference in these figures changes the curves and lead times a lot
BF1 velocity means less leading on anything under 300m but with the drag coefficient and gravity(bullet drop) anything over 300m is going down exponential, so leading gets even harder.
BF4 velocity means more lead time it has no impact from drop only distance limited by TTL. Drop in BF4 was less and more like a gentle curve thus making lead shots at distance easy.

So what you get is BF4 bullet could travel much further than BF1 that was only really limited by the Velocity and TTL. BF1 bullets will not travel great distances because of the drag which is limited to about 700m how close to that point depends on velocity and gravity.

What players see -
BF4 100m no drop, 300m bullet slight drop, 700m bullet drop, 1000m bullet drop, 3000m bullet drop
BF1 100m no drop, 300m bullet slight drop, 700m max limit reach for firing straight. To reach beyond 700m you need to fire much higher that you are no long looking at the target.

[HandsomeBearCub]

@rock1obsta

Man, I can remember tryin to snipe in 4, & having to aim 2-3 dots above a guys head. More or less depending on distance.
When I’d try in 1, I could aim at the head from any distance.

No Rifle in BF1 will let you aim directly at the head to hit the head at any distance. If you seriously think you’re right about that just join some random Sinai Desert map, choose the Gewehr 98 sniper or the M1903 sniper(both are superior at range to any other sniper variants in my experience) plant yourself at the mountain next to the B flag, or the rock formation on the F flag. Try to aim at the heads of stationary enemies at the D flag and see what happens…or just go onto an empty server and aim at the train carts/whatever.
Edit: Actually I did it for you. The Gewehr 98, highest Muzzle Velocity in BF1. Bullet drop for 186m: Imgur: The magic of the Internet

[DingoKillr]

@handsomebear89

@rock1obsta

Man, I can remember tryin to snipe in 4, & having to aim 2-3 dots above a guys head. More or less depending on distance.
When I’d try in 1, I could aim at the head from any distance.

No Rifle in BF1 will let you aim directly at the head to hit the head at any distance. If you seriously think you’re right about that just join some random Sinai Desert map, choose the Gewehr 98 sniper or the M1903 sniper(both are superior at range to any other sniper variants in my experience) plant yourself at the mountain next to the B flag, or the rock formation on the F flag. Try to aim at the heads of stationary enemies at the D flag and see what happens…or just go onto an empty server and aim at the train carts/whatever.

I think this proves bullet drop in BF1 if I am reading right it is 785m or 735m look how high the sniper is and how far above he still need to aim.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Battlefield/status/912734388932300800/video/1

At that distances in BF4 was easy.

[Astr0damus]

Nice Kopftreeferb bonus

[IllIllIII]

@rock1obsta

@handsomebear89

@rock1obsta

@buddyboy911

Funny people have it so wrong bf4 had like zero bullet drop compared to bf1. Bf4 was like a laser a thousand meters out, in bf1 good luck getting anything over 300 meters.

Nope. Dead wrong. Did you even play 4? Bullet drop was severe due to much lower bullet velocity. BF1 is a laser, BF4 is an underhand softball pitch.

Bullet drop:
Bf1: 12 m/s² on all rifles.
Bf4: 6 to 9.81m/s²
Muzzle Velocity:
Bf1: 440-880m/s
Bf4: 520-650m/s
Include drag coeff in bf1 and they’re not as far apart as you seem to imagine when you approach 200+ meters. Around 100 meters and less bf1 rifles are much faster, yes.
This is according to Symthic.com

Man, I can remember tryin to snipe in 4, & having to aim 2-3 dots above a guys head. More or less depending on distance.
When I’d try in 1, I could aim at the head from any distance.

My longest headshot in bf1 is about 300 meters… i have to like aim 1 cm higher…
There is drop… the maps in bf1 are just alot smaller.

[HardAimedKid]

For those talking about bullet drop, there is huge drop at long range, now most of us won’t engage from this distance, but even at a more acceptable scoped range there is a fair amount of drop. Watch how huge the drop is in this clip.

Battlefield 1 - 833 Meter Headshot, Longest Sniper Kill Shot (World Record on Xbox One)

[HandsomeBearCub]

@DingoKillr

I think this proves bullet drop in BF1 if I am reading right it is 785m or 735m look how high the sniper is and how far above he still need to aim.

Battlefield on X / X

At that distances in BF4 was easy.

Link to section: I personally have barely played Bf4, just a handful of round but it’s obvious with minimal effort to see that Bf1 doesn’t have “lazer bullet” rifles…I personally have barely played Bf4, just a handful of round but it’s obvious with minimal effort to see that Bf1 doesn’t have “lazer bullet” rifles…

Here’s two videos to compare:
Bf1 772m - Bf4 730m
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Bf1 two headshots 700-800 meters

Link to section: ](http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmEY65vgvBIc&start1=18&video2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D8E3q4egbh4E&start2=6&authorName=) Note the trav](http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmEY65vgvBIc&start1=18&video2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D8E3q4egbh4E&start2=6&authorName=)
Note the travel time is about half in Bf4 but it’s only 42 meters shorter, lol. Not sure what weapon he’s using in Bf4 but in the Bf1 clip the Gewehr 98 is used.

Edit: Also consider that Bf4s longest headshot is like 3k meters while the current bf1 longest is 1.1k, the clear difference in map size might be the reason why people think bf1 has comparatively low bullet drop at long range.

[IllIllIII]

@handsomebear89

@DingoKillr

I think this proves bullet drop in BF1 if I am reading right it is 785m or 735m look how high the sniper is and how far above he still need to aim.

Battlefield on X / X

At that distances in BF4 was easy.

I personally have barely played Bf4, just a handful of round but it’s obvious with minimal effort to see that BF1 doesn’t have “lazer bullet” rifles…

Here’s two videos to compare:
Bf1 772m - Bf4 730m
[YouTube Doubler | Mashup Helper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEY65vgvBIc&start1=18&video2=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E3q4egbh4E&start2=6&authorName=

](http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmEY65vgvBIc&start1=18&video2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D8E3q4egbh4E&start2=6&authorName=)
Note the travel time is about half in Bf4 but it’s only 42 meters shorter, lol. Not sure what weapon he’s using in BF4 but in the BF1 clip the Gewehr 98 is used.

Gotta be the sr61.

[rock1obsta]

@handsomebear89

@rock1obsta

Man, I can remember tryin to snipe in 4, & having to aim 2-3 dots above a guys head. More or less depending on distance.
When I’d try in 1, I could aim at the head from any distance.

No Rifle in BF1 will let you aim directly at the head to hit the head at any distance. If you seriously think you’re right about that just join some random Sinai Desert map, choose the Gewehr 98 sniper or the M1903 sniper(both are superior at range to any other sniper variants in my experience) plant yourself at the mountain next to the B flag, or the rock formation on the F flag. Try to aim at the heads of stationary enemies at the D flag and see what happens…or just go onto an empty server and aim at the train carts/whatever.
Edit: Actually I did it for you. The Gewehr 98, highest Muzzle Velocity in BF1. Bullet drop for 186m: Imgur: The magic of the Internet

I’ll take your word for it. I won’t tolerate BF1. Haven’t been able to for some time. Thing is, I distinctly remember, and can still find vids on YouTube of long range sniping in 4, where you can see quite an arc in the round as it travels to its target. I just don’t see that in 1. Probably dye to smaller maps as someone else pointed out.

I completely disagree in terms of difficulty sniping between the 2. In 4 it was damn near impossible for me to do it. The couple times i tried in 1, it seemed markedly easier.

[Antares65z]

@Loqtrall

How anyone can think that’s balanced is beyond me. There are people in this community that are obviously biased against Scouts and will argue any negative point about them, no matter how illogical it may be.

Most complaining about the sniping are COD gamestyle noobs who like to run and gun and spray and pray. They don’t differentiate between getting sniped by a hill humper and getting outplayed by an aggressive scout who is PTFO. They lack the skill to effectively use bolt rifles and thus rail against individuals who are kicking their . Its funny how no one complains about the glut of LMG noobs, in particular the growing number of LMG hill humpers sniping.

[IllIllIII]

@rock1obsta

@handsomebear89

@rock1obsta

Man, I can remember tryin to snipe in 4, & having to aim 2-3 dots above a guys head. More or less depending on distance.
When I’d try in 1, I could aim at the head from any distance.

No Rifle in BF1 will let you aim directly at the head to hit the head at any distance. If you seriously think you’re right about that just join some random Sinai Desert map, choose the Gewehr 98 sniper or the M1903 sniper(both are superior at range to any other sniper variants in my experience) plant yourself at the mountain next to the B flag, or the rock formation on the F flag. Try to aim at the heads of stationary enemies at the D flag and see what happens…or just go onto an empty server and aim at the train carts/whatever.
Edit: Actually I did it for you. The Gewehr 98, highest Muzzle Velocity in BF1. Bullet drop for 186m: Imgur: The magic of the Internet

I’ll take your word for it. I won’t tolerate BF1. Haven’t been able to for some time. Thing is, I distinctly remember, and can still find vids on YouTube of long range sniping in 4, where you can see quite an arc in the round as it travels to its target. I just don’t see that in 1. Probably dye to smaller maps as someone else pointed out.

I completely disagree in terms of difficulty sniping between the 2. In 4 it was damn near impossible for me to do it. The couple times i tried in 1, it seemed markedly easier.

It’s all in the maps..

[rock1obsta]

@IllIllIII

@rock1obsta

@handsomebear89

@rock1obsta

Man, I can remember tryin to snipe in 4, & having to aim 2-3 dots above a guys head. More or less depending on distance.
When I’d try in 1, I could aim at the head from any distance.

No Rifle in BF1 will let you aim directly at the head to hit the head at any distance. If you seriously think you’re right about that just join some random Sinai Desert map, choose the Gewehr 98 sniper or the M1903 sniper(both are superior at range to any other sniper variants in my experience) plant yourself at the mountain next to the B flag, or the rock formation on the F flag. Try to aim at the heads of stationary enemies at the D flag and see what happens…or just go onto an empty server and aim at the train carts/whatever.
Edit: Actually I did it for you. The Gewehr 98, highest Muzzle Velocity in BF1. Bullet drop for 186m: Imgur: The magic of the Internet

I’ll take your word for it. I won’t tolerate BF1. Haven’t been able to for some time. Thing is, I distinctly remember, and can still find vids on YouTube of long range sniping in 4, where you can see quite an arc in the round as it travels to its target. I just don’t see that in 1. Probably dye to smaller maps as someone else pointed out.

I completely disagree in terms of difficulty sniping between the 2. In 4 it was damn near impossible for me to do it. The couple times i tried in 1, it seemed markedly easier.

It’s all in the maps..

You’re probably right.

[Loqtrall]

@-Antares65z

@Loqtrall

How anyone can think that’s balanced is beyond me. There are people in this community that are obviously biased against Scouts and will argue any negative point about them, no matter how illogical it may be.

Most complaining about the sniping are COD gamestyle noobs who like to run and gun and spray and pray. They don’t differentiate between getting sniped by a hill humper and getting outplayed by an aggressive scout who is PTFO. They lack the skill to effectively use bolt rifles and thus rail against individuals who are kicking their . Its funny how no one complains about the glut of LMG noobs, in particular the growing number of LMG hill humpers sniping.

I’ve seen people argue that they’re absolutely amazing in CQB, and I’ve seen people argue they’re broke OP at OHK ranges, as well as people who claim they’re just OP at all ranges and need to be nerfed/removed/limited outright.

But the funniest thing of all that no matter which of those groups you may or may not take part in, ALL of them are full of people that will turn around after claiming bolt-action rifles are OP in some way, and claim that having 10 snipers on their team caused them to lose.

Then that brings me to the other side of the community that rags on snipers: The people that claim Scouts in this game are the most worthless thing in the world, never contribute, and only help their team lose.

Those two groups (the snipers are worthless guys and the snipers are OP guys) seemingly live in harmony in this community and seemingly don’t even realize one another exist or the fact they completely contradict each other.

Hell, some people won’t even admit or acknowledge the fact that in one thread they claimed snipers were OP at OHK range, and then turn around in another thread and claim their teams lose all the time because snipers are worthless.

Soon after the new balance pass hits the full game (has to be next month), we’re only going to see a lot of snipers back off, and the campers will start to camp even harder. It seems DICE is essentially trying to erase Scout from objective zones aside from those who have way too much time to put into a game in order to practice one of the most abysmally un-fun playstyles to be just starting out at.

[HandsomeBearCub]

@rock1obsta

I’ll take your word for it. I won’t tolerate BF1. Haven’t been able to for some time. Thing is, I distinctly remember, and can still find vids on YouTube of long range sniping in 4, where you can see quite an arc in the round as it travels to its target. I just don’t see that in 1. Probably dye to smaller maps as someone else pointed out.

I completely disagree in terms of difficulty sniping between the 2. In 4 it was damn near impossible for me to do it. The couple times i tried in 1, it seemed markedly easier.

You don’t have to take my word for it, just check video comparison link in my last post. It’s clear that what’s considered extreme range sniping in Bf1 is not extreme in Bf4. Bf1 seem to have faster rifle rounds at short range sniping(0-200m?). I also never claimed that it was more or less difficult in Bf1 vs Bf4- as stated in my last post I don’t have enough experience in Bf4 to say either way.

[rock1obsta]

@handsomebear89

@rock1obsta

I’ll take your word for it. I won’t tolerate BF1. Haven’t been able to for some time. Thing is, I distinctly remember, and can still find vids on YouTube of long range sniping in 4, where you can see quite an arc in the round as it travels to its target. I just don’t see that in 1. Probably dye to smaller maps as someone else pointed out.

I completely disagree in terms of difficulty sniping between the 2. In 4 it was damn near impossible for me to do it. The couple times i tried in 1, it seemed markedly easier.

You don’t have to take my word for it, just check video comparison link in my last post. It’s clear that what’s considered extreme range sniping in Bf1 is not extreme in Bf4. Bf1 seem to have faster rifle rounds at short range sniping(0-200m?). I also never claimed that it was more or less difficult in Bf1 vs Bf4- as stated in my last post I don’t have enough experience in Bf4 to say either way.

My bad, i thought you we’re the guy I responded to first.

On a side note, if you have BF4 you should play a bit more. It’s amazing. If you play on Xbox one you can even play 3. It’s the best out of the last 3 Battlefields made, at least imho it is.

[HandsomeBearCub]

@rock1obsta

My bad, i thought you we’re the guy I responded to first.

On a side note, if you have BF4 you should play a bit more. It’s amazing. If you play on Xbox one you can even play 3. It’s the best out of the last 3 Battlefields made, at least imho it is.

Link to section: Bf3 was the last MP shooter I played actually. I started playing CS sometime before 1.6 and a lot during that patch, on PC, I then went on to play a lot of Halo on consoles before Bf3. Was playing a lBf3 was the last MP shooter I played actually. I started playing CS sometime before 1.6 and a lot during that patch, on PC, I then went on to play a lot of Halo on consoles before Bf3. Was playing a lot of WoW inbetween and picked up Bf1 on PC at launch ^^ You should’ve seen me when I started playing Bf1, I was the hill humper everyone is hating on these days…everyone has to start somewhere.

I’m having a lot of fun trying to get decent at mid-close range PTFO sniping ATM. It’s quite a challenge and I think the next weapon balance patch will make it harder still. The problem with jumping into an older game is that most who still play it will be waaaaay better than me (:

[ashar_saleem121]

@Loqtrall well said mate. No matter the weapon, people will always complain when they get killed by something. Because that’s normal human reaction, to be upset when someone beats you.

No one ever thinks, hey, maybe I was late on the draw, maybe I missed him, maybe the other guy is better than me, maybe he got lucky. Everyone immediately jumps to “This weapon/class is OP and easy mode and takes no skill” and on and on.